Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Forum Posts. You yourself admit that Pre-retcon Beyonder is infinite dimensional, as he is inferior to TOAA it supports TOAA being beyond that. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. Prepare for. so i think the only characters. Servant tier -the gil that appears at fate stay night, fate strange fake and as a servant in fate go(not the alive gil). I/O has a low-tier character that is on the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder and everyone, as in literally EVERYONE, even the. 5 years ago Gojira25124-Beyonder True Omnipotent değildir sadece Hyperversal level omnipotenttir. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. ^2 + DUR^1. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Scarlet King (SCP). The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. #1 quandaledingle. Which then would put the DC team a few steps below the over-void - DC's prime meta. Dreamxd26 • 2 yr. Powers and Stats. Sungsam. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Beyonder 39%. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. 10. @Metalslash said: MJJ wins. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Seriously, Nyarlathotep has done more than all the others listed and Demonbane pimpslapped her. However, the Beyonder is beyond (pun wholly, shamelessly intended) simply universe level+. But This Gaunlet is way out of order, why the heck is Odin and Zeus above Molecule Man. Death from what I remember had no power of Lucifer, only Destiny did - so I think it's safe to assume she scales below him. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. Your right about Oblivion shockingly. And those mirrors were so fucking weak, that a bunch of low tier demons were already destroying them. If we ignore Thought Robot's plot manipulating and implied power and go by feats, then I think Beyonder stops at round 9. I agree with his tier, but one thing I don't understand is how is beyonder above Oblivion when he is just above existene while Oblivion is not part of. If we don't then I think he would stop at 6 since Thought Robot is plot device designed to always beat the villain and Beyonder would be the villain in this situation from the perspective of Though Robot. BeyonderGod's Beyonder is Omnipotent. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. Tbh fights at this level have unknown victories and are really just up to people's opinions at that point. " (Fun fact, guys like EGD and Beyonder exists outside. Sep 20, 2018. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. My only question is: Is that Pre-Retcon. e. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. Both are vastly above. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Lucifer stomps. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. Again, I don’t kno Fu, but if he’s Hyperversal as ur sayin, or even higher, then he’d def beat Post-retcon. I really can't be asked to go. All Characters are at full powerView community ranking In the Top 1% of largest communities on Reddit Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Rebirth Superman (DC) The both of them at their strongestBecause his existence makes cosmic tier debaters run from me in discussions. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Lucifer is definitely Pre-Retcon Beyonder tier while the Living Tribunal has become a jobber these past few years. 4 12 12 comments Best Top New Controversial Q&A CynicalWeeaboo • 7 yr. . Phoenix in the new defenders will fight against Ômega Beyonder who are most powerful than pré-retcon Beyonder) 10 True Form Oblivion {See all Creation and Cosmos like a infinitesimal to him, he is the outside of Cosmos, The Previour outside are below than far shore, but the. 1. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. Well technically Dr. Basically, I am perfectly fine with rating pre-retcon Beyonder as likely 1-A, as Oblivion had already been established at the time, but if Marvel establishes a new character that. The Beyonder tells "We're the real. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. Oct 24, 2019PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. She isn't on the level of Lucifer, or PR Beyonder, or anywhere close to TOAA. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined, thats what convinces me he is above TOAA. Beyonder powered spiderman remade creation in like a nanosecond -. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Special Conditions: None. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just wishes Spectre to be gone and that's it. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. in classic era: Jim. 1,102. 3 years ago. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. Lucifer Morningstar at his strongest is Oblivion-tier. K. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. Versions-Strongest. The Beyonder should easily be Tier 0 and here's why:-. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. Oblivion is more powerful than Eternity but not by much. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. ;. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. He is only nigh-omnipotent, nigh-omniescent, and nigh-omnipresent. Why? Because beyonder powers are const and limited. True form DS power is unknown. here is a fight that involves. And this character is an entire cardinal infinite tier below. @higherpower: I'd be delighted if you can name more than five people who can "blink" a Pre-Retcon Beyonder level character "out of existence. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wrecks. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Immersion: Beyonder (Pre/Post-Retcon), GoS Loki, HOI Vision, The One Above All and Multi Eternity via Eternity Mask, Deadpool with the Continuity Gem and She-Hulk (Classics); formerly Plot Resistance: The Beyonders (Ivory King), Beyonder (Post-Retcon); scaling from the other beyonders and GoS Loki Toon Force: She-Hulk (Classics); formerly the Elder gods should be top of their tier. According to that one guy Anos could do it,. More than just high1-b, only this support for low 1-a. So I might be missing something. Beyonder before the retcon was stronger than TLT. 7 K. Holy moley. TOAAPRESENCE1. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. This thread will only feature Pre retcon beyonder's feats, credits to rolldestroyer for the scans and information. Post retcon would be a closer fight. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. 0. Omnipotent, Beyonder organized an event called Secret Wars, in which he kidnapped the most important superheroes and supervillains in the Marvel universe, for a confrontation between them on a distant planet. WF Mr. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. Beyonder 73%. Speed. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. 1 of 2 Go to page. 0. So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. . The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. So, I looked at The Beyonder's(Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely,. 1. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. Name: The Living Tribunal Origin. The Source - Primal Monitor, The universal spirit venerated by the New Gods, which resides beyond the Source Wall. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. this is the Speed Tier List and how to put down the Speed on a Character Profile will be determined by these Reaction / Reflexes - the ability to distinguish between the movement of objects at a certain speed with a small distance (melee, less than 2 meters), with the possibility of taking any whatsoever countermeasures at this time, such as avoidance or. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. (still high 1-B but much lower on the tier). MayGodSmiteThee • 2 yr. perpetua slams but shinra one taps both because he’s tier -1 and transcends all. In terms of straight up feats CAS Lucifer and Mandrakk all technically show better feats then Perpetua. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War but you can apply that to any evil character with vagueish powers, like Cyttorak or whatever. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. Bloodlust on. 3 years ago. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel". -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Jan 22, 2017. the_doctor. Tier Sıralamasını benden iyi biliyorsan Elder Scrolls taki Dragonborn, Kratos ve Dante gibi karakterlerin tüm Mcu. Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. Black Friday DEAL: 1 Year Membership for $5. Reply Beyonder (Marvel) Respect The Beyonders (Marvel) Homelander (The Boys) Respect Homelander! (The Boys, Dynamite) Respect Homelander (Amazon's The Boys) Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Thought Robot without any effort. That being said, I’m going to give this one to the pre-retcon Beyonder. Tier: Stellar | Endless | Realium | Transcendent: Keys: Base Galactus power absorbed | Infamous Iron-Man | Dual Infinity Gauntlet God Emperor Doom | Pre-Retcon Beyonder absorbed: Extra: Simple words can't describe the glory of Dr Doom, as Galactus, he deserve more than 5 stars 😤 Beyonder and Lucifer gets blinked by Shinra with his narrative manipulation. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s greatest heroes. Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. 7 K than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. #4. 3 + (STR*0. we dont really see him at that tier because of how much good servants are at controlling collateral damage. Featherine is way above than Beyonder. deactivated-621c40d36c53f. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. . COIE Anti Monitor. Marvel tends to have their top tier have very physical feats while lucifer's are more metaphysical. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. Forum Posts. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. 14. The Presence vs. He can´t beat Lucifer. Manhattan. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A(more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B(same as The Beyonder). A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. ProfessorRespect. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. A desperate Molecule Man begins crying about the. The Voice - This is the most "active" version of God, When The Voice uttered the first word, it created The Word. New comments cannot be posted. Edit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. LT literally held the entirety of Marvel and DC universe in the palm of. It's Shown Here ''Upon reaching the House, he hid himself until the Defenders finished their business. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. It's simple. It should however be noted that sometimes having overall destructive capacity is not enough to defeat others that have "broken" or "hax" abilities. Creation. She’s not on Living Tribunal’s tier. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. akuto fictionally transcends an uncountably infinite layered hierarchy of characters who are above the concepts of space & time and/or platonic forms in nature which also contains all possibilities & impossibilities, & each tier in the hierarchy fictionally transcends the one below it, making even the lowest characters in the hierarchy very high into high. And if we are talking about Cosmic hierarchy then Perpetua is higher tier then Mandrakk. S. Follow. And Anyone that says Dragonball characters can beat someone like the Living Tribunal is delusional. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. Follow 41274. I can break this down into more detail. Using the Pre-Retcon Beyonder here is just severe overkill. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. Follow 1963. -. Especially Yujiro's penis. 0. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. 5. PanzerX. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. Mxyzptlk, Lucifer Morningstar, & Maxwell (DC) VS Pre Retcon Beyonder, Molecule Man & Galactus (Marvel) 2. Multiversal. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Thirdeev. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Originally posted by the DarkoneThe brothers are the most powerfull in there Multiverse. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. Member. He encompasses all of dimensionality, but he does not transcend it. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. Tier: Varies, At least 2-A | At least 1-B, Likely Higher | Likely 1-A, Far Higher | High 1-A. What Makes marvel only H1B while DC is Layers into Tier 0? Does DC truly scale higher than Marvel, is it the other way around or are they practically equal?. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. . #5. A Time Lords) from the. Beyonders too has proven in little EXP because h e has lost his power on various occasions and despite claiming to be omniscient, but in practice had to learn everything by experience. as omnipotent deities in their respective realities, the OAA Dominates the Hoi Realm. ago. Attack Potency= Atleast Universal+ (killed countless cosmic beings from countless realities) | Atleast Hyperversal (3 of them was enough to kill The Living Tribunal and their battle with him raged across all realities at the same time) | High Hyperversal (The Beyonder from the secret wars (that would mean that the version of. 3 years ago. Introduction on The Beyonder: OHOTMU v2 #16: The Beyonder was an extra-dimensional entity which was the sum of everything in the universe known as the Beyond-realm, and became aware of our universe/multiverse due to Owen's. - featherin vs Lamdadelta (not an actual battle, featherin smashed/trashed Lamda with no actual effort) 3. @bballaag: No, even pre retcon beyonder cannot defeat The Presence or even TOAA. He killed all the beyonders who were the grown ups of this pre Retconned beyonder and literally absorbed their power and he was able to actually trap am. Jul 16, 2022 #2 Pre-retcon Beyonder: Low 1-A cap Perpetua: 1-A cap yeah this is a stomp in Perpetua's favor . Still Pre-Retcon Beyonder. However, high balled Merc (the transdual Taikyuko-in-disguise on) wtf Xeelee stomps Beyonder. the other is a High Tier Reality Warper with disgusting hax also. Multiversal. This thread wouldn't affect what tier Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon) is at because he still would be High 1-B. In the comics Homelander’s best objective strength feat is throwing a fighter jet across a room and he doesn’t have anything comparable in the show. Business, Economics, and Finance. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Beyonder is marvel. Carey and JM De Matteis brought the guns, material and ammunition NEEDED to make DC the second-first tier most powerful fiction. Basically, either or both can be considered to be the presence, in either it's evil or good forms. we dont really see him at that tier because of how much good servants are at controlling collateral damage. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. The Hand - Marked the beginning of creation. 1. 6,016 2,373. Forum Posts. The Beyonder is a fictional character appearing in comicbooks published by Marvel Comics. Nope. "For the. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Shigaraki(My Hero Academia) fights an army of street tier DC and Marvel heroes. That’s how many drops of water there are in the ocean and marvel was only 1 drop compared to the beyonders power. 11,582. Well COIE Anti Monitor, as powerful as he may be, is actually a little out of his league here. I'm not taking sides. xyrzrockrain. This proves by showing you that he read the writer's mind and was able to talk to him and not only that, shred the comic-book and escaping to reality in 'Defenders: Beyond (2022-23)'Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. 1. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . #28 ovy7. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. 12984. Hajun via feats and implied power. And he has just way more hax and reality manipulation against the mostly physical Goku to handle! 11. Hi all😅 i want upgrade beyonder profile :) Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is. He beat the Living Tribunal. 3 years ago. He's been away from the Marvel Universe for a while but now he's back in all of his overpowered. #8. Bill also got more experience than Beyonder since Bill is over 1 trillion-year-old. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. the dunamis demiurgos is supposed to be a 1/half copy of the presence's power. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol. Beyonder and its not even close. Universal. PRB was millions of times more powerful than all the poster in the Multiverse combined. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. People already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. Carey and JM De Matteis brought the guns, material and ammunition NEEDED to make DC the second-first tier most powerful fiction. 43. hÀng nguyÊn bẢn- beyonder pre-retcon; 2. The First and Second Retcon Beyonder are not above The LIving Tribunal. That's actually like a low showing for him. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on. " -Robin Williams (Dead Poets Society) ~Member Since: 09/25/2009~. Possibly the most powerful character in creation. Interesting. laj11900 • 2 yr. True Form Pennywise ain't on Pre-Retcon Beyonder's level, lol. Sorted by: 9. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. bonus: lỊch sỬ cÁc lẦn retcon cỦa beyonder – kẺ sỞ hỮu nhỮng feat bÁ ĐẠo nhẤt lỊch sỬ marvel comic. Almost any high tier character can beat him"Motion Carried!" ― Alien X Alien X is a sample of Celestialsapien DNA recorded in the Omnitrix that Ben Tennyson can utilize to take up the characteristics of a Celestialsapien. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. bigbran. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. Apr 8, 2018. everything else is nothing to him Galactus. Cosmic Elvis. @higherpower: I'd be delighted if you can name more than five people who can "blink" a Pre-Retcon Beyonder level character "out of existence. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D multiverse. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. CryptoName Owen Reece, Molecule Man Origin Marvel Tier: 1-B Gender: Male Classification: Mutant Age: Unknown Abilites and Powers: Matter Manipulation, Reality Warping, Space-Time Manipulation, Transmutation, Probability Manipulation, Molecular Manipulation Weaknesses: a non stable mind Destructive Capacity: Beyond Multiversal ( was able to. Dec 24, 2015. 81. According to that one guy Anos could do it, though I take that with a pinch of salt. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. He would also be the main villain in. pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. The one below all (TOBA). @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. He wins. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) (Marvel Comics) The-One-Above-All (Marvel Comics) The Presence (DC Comics) Mother of Existence (Image Comics) Divine Presence (I/O) Emperor-Beyond-The-Sea (The Chronicles of Narnia) Eru Iluvatar (Lord of the Rings) Gan (The Dark Tower) God (Digimon) The Force/Gentle Pull (Mario) The Creator (The Wheel of Time). . True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. Phoenix attacks Beyonder with all her power, Beyonder don't even flinch. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. That being said, Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the HIGHEST tier character Marvel ever had. 4,453 1,084. Location-The Multiverse. Gender: Inapplicable. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. Planetary. Possibly so, but if he was talking about. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. Thus, Bill, in theory, could do something that the Beyonder never. Both are in character. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. Creaturemaster971. beyonder (pre-retcon) old ones (the dark tower) the beyonders the dark tower Replies: 18; Forum: Versus Threads; the beyonders vs the Downstreamers. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. beyonder (pre-retcon) eternity galactus (marvel comics) marvel comics molecule man oblivion thanos (marvel comics) the beyonders the first firmament the living tribunal Replies: 12; Forum: Questions and Answers Pre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A.